Ivan Anz Frankopan (John Ivanish Frangipani -Frankapan) was a very colorful and charming character who came out of Venice, Italy. He traveled by many different aliases. There were several aliases noted by many historians of the day. They were taken from travel records and log records of palatial visits. Some of these aliases were Hans, Anz, Gian, Johannes, Giovanni, Frankopani, Frankepanni, Frangepanni, Frangepan, Frankopanovich and Frankopan. The reasons they claim he provided the alterations of his name were because of the vast wealth, power and position his family held. This made him a prime target for kidnapping and ransom demands.
This was a common practice for the time. However credibility lends itself because it was well known fact that during this period in history, the beautiful and romantic stories of the Frangipani family of Rome were circulating in a way that the reverberation gave the family a great popular status, fantastic honors and high respect that caused a great amount of resentment from politicians who were having difficulty and who were seen as not so honorable and struggling to fulfill the civic duties. They saw their positions in jeopardy.
One story in particular that was circulating quickly was how the "Pierleoni Family" also known as, "Frankopani - Frangipani family" was derived from “Jordan (Giordano) Pierleoni”, who was the son of Pier Leoni who had delivered the Roman citizens out of hunger from a great famine by distributing bread to the masses throughout the famine. There was a claim that the family originated from the land of the "Franks"; Thus there the beginning of the name “Frank”. The distribution of the bread or (Pan) to the masses then turned the name into Frankopani. Romans believed this was given as a name of honor to be called Frankopani's.
There was also a branch of the family that learned to perfume gloves and thus they were called the Frangipani's; like the flower. There is a fragrant pastry named after the Frangipanis which has an almond based flavor. The Frankopani sometimes has been recorded with different spellings. Sometimes the variation of it is Frangipanni. All were related to the Ancient Pier Leoni (Pierleoni), a royal Roman family of high importance.
The origin of this family had several branches. The Frankopan or Frangipanni family grew to into a very large family in time that was extremely close. Two ancient branches of the time when the bread was distributed were related to Pier (Peter) Leoni and Giordano (Jordan) Leoni. The Frangipani (Frankopan) family had a branch that was related to the Counts of Tusculum who became the legendary Counts of Anjou. This was the Manlius Torquatus branch which was a military family branch. The Anjou (Manlius Torquatus) branch that migrated to Rennes, France had held many previous Military and Royal Titles along with lands, but soon added on a new title as the Counts of Anjou which they were most proud of from all of their titles.
This branch of the family was related to the legendary Manlius Torquatus Clan. This branch was related by blood line to Titus Manlius Imperiosus Torquatus who held three Consulships of Republican Rome in 347, 345, and 340 B.C. This was one of the most famous of the Manlius clan. He wasn’t given such fame because of the family’s fame where they were credited as the founders of Tosculum (the area where the famous shroud of Turin is kept), but because of the story of the strength of his famous Military discipline. He ordered the beheading of one of his own sons because he disobeyed his direct orders not to leave his post. They called this Manlius Discipline. His story was noted by great ancient Historians such as Livy, Cicero and Cassius Dio who was the son of Cassius Apronianus, a Roman Senator.
There was also another Manlius Torquatus of notable recognition in history. This was Marcus Manlius Capitolinus, who was a Patrician of the Roman Republic, who was Consul in 390 B.C. He received the nickname of Rad,which means Happy or Laughing with the patronymic suffix ić was later added. This was because of the story of the cackling geese. This is why this end of the family has so many laughing, squawking geese on their coat of arms. Radić
According to tradition, when in 390 B.C. the besieging Gauls of Brennus who were attempting to scale the Capitoline Hill, he was roused by the cackling of the sacred geese, rushed to the spot and threw down the foremost assailants sending many to their deaths. The noise roused the others who came to his side to fight off the enemy. (Livy v. 47; Plutarch, Camilus, 27).
Several years later after, seeing a Centurion who served under him led to prison for debt, he was very upset. He discovered the insurmountable charge of his friend’s accumulated debt was a plot by corrupt Senators to unjustly destroy his friend’s life. He later returned to the prison and freed him with his own money, and even sold his estate to relieve other poor debtors put there by the Senate, while Marcus accused the Senate of embezzling public money. This was a fact he discovered through family members who were also serving in the Senate and familiar with the problem. They were greedy and trying to make more money on top of the embezzling. They retaliated and he was charged with aspiring to kingly power, and condemned by the comitia, but not until the assembly had adjourned to a place without the walls, where they could no longer see the Capitol which he had once saved. They killed him away from the city where the people who loved him could see the mock trial and instant death.
There his house on the Capitol (the origin of his surname) was destroyed, and the Manlii resolved that henceforth no Patrician Manlius should ever bear the name of Marcus. This promise has been kept to this very day.
It was noted that Prince Ivan Anz Frankopan first met Eric of Pomerania, future King of Sweden in Venice, when Eric was traveling. It appears they probably met at the House of Count Morosini (a relative of the Frankopan and Radić family) where Gian or Ivan (John) was employed or living while he attended school. How long he had lived or was employed at the Morosini Palace, is uncertain.
However, what is clear is that Ivan spoke Latin, Italian (of Venetto-dialect) and High German. There was no documentation to show his birth. So records of his birth have never been located. It was proved he was the son of a prominent noble branch of the Frankopani family belonging to Prince Nicholas IV Ban of Croatia (1426 - 1432). Prince Nicholas Frankopan IV Ban of Croatia had nine sons. Historical records only mention three of these brothers. Those brothers are as follows; Ivan, Nicola and Stepan, respectively. The truth of Ivan's identity still remains somewhat confusing due to records with language variances that are similarly annotated. Another discrepancy was that it was rumored that this branch of the Frankopani (Frankopan) family was not as wealthy as the other branches and shortly after Ivan's (Gian) marriage to Katarina (Catherine) Nelipich, he came into great wealth. Although Katarina (Catherine) stood to inherit a fair deal of land upon her marriage, it was not enough to amass the wealth that Ivan suddenly procured. It is believed that this was due to a Roman lineage from an original branch of Peirleoni died out and left him with vast wealth. This added a sense of mystery to his story that added to other rumors.
En route to Fruili, on October 28, 1412, King Sigismund issued a charter in the town of Brinje where Frankopan was living. The charter stated that Count Invanish Nelipich was given license to give his daughter Katarina (Caterine), as fiancée to Ivan Anz Frankopan. Count Ivanish (John) Nelipich paid a large sum to King Sigismund of Hungary for this charter/license with the knowledge that Ivan Anz Frankopan was from the powerful Roman Pierleoni / Frankopan branch. It has always been the Frankopan way to not brag.
On July 31, 1424, two envoys arrived in Venice from Senj, requesting that King Eric should be given free passage to Venice; they also requested a galley to be outfitted at the King's expense for the journey to the Holy Land, and finally, the loan at a sizable sum of 10,000 ducats. On the same day, the Venetian Senate granted the King's wishes and decided that he would be met at Senj by Francesco Minnio, capitano delle Gallere di Quarnero, accompanied by six envoys. It was also decided to place another galley at the disposal of the Count of Senj, who would escort the King to Venice. According to the records of the Venetian chronicler and historian Antonio Morosini, King Eric left in Senj 1,000 horses and most of his escort.
It is supposed that Eric of Pomerania originally met Ivan (Gian) Frankopan in Venice possibly in the House of Morosini. Eric took Ivan under his wing and in his employment. For reasons unknown at the time which are now obvious, Ivan (Gian) traveled under assumed names or incognito as Gian Franchi and Johan Franke with the young Eric. His first name was Ivan (John, Johann, Johannes) and second name was Anz, which is an abbreviation of Angelus, or sometimes he claimed it was Hanz.
Ivan (Gian) Anz Frankopan later met Eric of Pomerania in Buda June 1, 1424, where he had joined the King on his way to the Holy Land. He was there to serve as the interpreter to Eric. In 1426, Ivan (Gian) left for Sweden as Eric's attendant and Royal House Steward (fief). He remained employed there from 1426 to 1434. Scandinavian sources called Ivan (Gian) Anz Frankopan as Franchi or Franke, which corresponds to the belief that he was of Italian (Venetian) origin.
On June 26, 1432, his father, Prince Ban Nikolas died. His younger brother Stjepan reported to King Sigismund that Bosnia had been invaded by Turks. He left Sweden to claim his position as Ban of Croatia and Dalamatia. In 1430, there was a record of a person of the name (de Fragepanibus) that was confirmed as one Nikolas Frangipanni Frankopan by Pope Martin V in Rome during a personal audience.
Ivan married Katarina (Catherine) Nelipich. She was the only daughter of the Count of Centina, Ivanish Nelipich. Ivan (Gian) Frankopan claimed that Count Ivanish Nelipich had adopted him into his family and was not aware of his true identity as being from the Frankopani family when he adopted him. Nelipich claimed he had done this a year prior to the engagement to Katarina in 1412. He claimed Ivanish did this because he had no male heir of his own.
Ivan (Gian) Frankopan did not have a valid claim according to some noble sources that proved this so-called adoption. They also contested that if he was legally adopted, then he could not marry his sister Katarina. There apparently was no paperwork just an oral contract according to Ivan (Gian) Frankopan. Some type of documentation was produced at the Vatican which proved his case. King Sigismund had long had his sites set on obtaining these properties and caused quite a stir of problems for the Frankopan family.
It is well known that according to J. Siemacher's "The Nobility of Croatia and Slovenia" he documents that, King Sigismund of Hungary and his entire court mainly ignored the (Ivan or Gian Frankopan) Ban's new self-imposed name, referring instead to the Senj, Veglie et Modrusee comites, "Senj and Krk the Modrus Counties". No names were validated by Sigismund of Hungary or any other nobles until letters dispatched to the Vatican. Disagreements were publicly noted and made official between Sigismund of Hungary and Ivan (Gian) Frankopan. King Sigismund of Hungary had court investigators dispatched immediately upon a sudden rash of deaths surrounding Ivan (Gian) Frankopan and his claims to family properties and titles. All problems seemed to have erupted when Sigismund demanded Ivan (John-Gian) Frangipani (Frankopan) hand over his wife's inheritance.
Sigismund confronted Papal Committee and other Royal Committees where he publicly announced he did recognize the titles to the names given after the Roman Frangepanni Family, in partiular Anz's two brothers, but tried to bring forth evidence that Ivan Anz was not from the Roman Frangepanni family branch. King Sigismund again only made the regonition of his two younger brothers. He claimed that there was no evidence to show that these claimants were related to the Roman Frangepanni or Frankopan Families. He reiterated that the documents of the original Frankopani family last will and testament stated that it was bequeathed to his first-born and third-born sons, Ivan and Stjepan. He claimed he would concede if there was proof of his legitimacy. All the evidence of these battles was recorded in Hungarian, Austrian and Italian Archival Records.
All discrepancies and accusations brought forth by the opposing parties and were never proved, but eventually generally accepted as public rule after Pope Martin V's support. Pope Martin V's acknowledgement and support came only after a great deal of energy was spent on equally approved investigators and arbitrators. Sigismund's efforts to prove all documents provided by Ivan (Gian) Frankopan were in fact forgeries were rebuffed because of this support and massive documentation that supported the Frankopan family's claims. Pope Martin V forced Sigismund to either accept the decision or be excommunicated from the church. King Sigismund was very bitter and promised revenge.
The Hungarian nobility fought for years to recover the losses and damaged reputations from this branch of the Frankopan family lineage in various ways. The Hungarian Nobles made the mistake of not properly explaining to the public the dilemma of the conspiracy between Krsto Frankopan and Petar Zrinski. The supporters of Krsto Frankopan publicized the letters written by Petar Zrinski to his wife as a means to create propaganda in sympathy to the popular Frankopan family. This controversy may have been partly due to the Frankopan family having been a Jewish family by blood. It was a fact they had a Pope as a relative along with other family members as part of the church. This was a fact that no one let the family forget. He was a Pope and a Chrisitan but he was also a Jew. His name was Cardinal Pietro Pierleoni Anacletus II during the year 1130.
Trouble came again for the Frankopan (Frangipani) family when Francis I also known as Francis III Stephen, Duke of Lorraine (December 8, 1708 – August 18, 1765), who was Holy Roman Emperor and Grand Duke of Tuscany made a public declaration regarding an alleged forged document on February 3, 1820, where he claimed that the Frankopan (Frangipani) family were not related to the Romanic Anicier family that Ivan (Gian – Johann) Frankopan (Frangipani) had previously claimed himself to be related to.
Within all wealthy and powerful families there has always been and always will be a great struggle to obtain great inheritances from each other with various claims and claimants to come forth with all sorts of political propaganda and plans to alleviate the wealth of one who stands to inherit anything.
The Frankopan (Frangipani) family is no different. There have been many claims and attempts to collect on the lands, titles and inheritance of the Frankopan (Frangipani) family for centuries. This has caused many claimants over the centuries to claim all sorts of things. The historians of Francis I claimed his historians (or what the law terms as his hired guns) had found proof that there was no connection to the Romanic Anicier Family that Ivan (Gian) Frankopan had presented to the Vatican many centuries earlier, and the document he presented to Pope Martin V had been a forgery all along. Of course this is not true.
The hard sale of propaganda and rumors spread by the clever to the ignorant who are not familiar with the true history of the Frankopan (Frangipani) family has caused much confusion and unnecessary strife over the centuries for the Frankopan family. The document that was presented to King Bela IV of Hungary in the 13th century, was one of several validated documents, that provided proof positive the Frankopan (Frangipani) family branch that Ivan (Gian – Johann) Frankopan (Frangipani) came from originally derived from a Jordan Pierleoni who was from a Wealthy Royal Jewish family who were of the Christian faith from Rome who’s family originated from Palestine and who came to live in Rome around the time after Jesus’ crucifixion.
They were granted Roman citizenship in the year 7 A.D. which was 6 years after they settled in Rome in the Jewish Roman district. Jews were not allowed by Roman law to live any where else but the designated Jewish district. Becoming a Roman citizen was not an easy task for the period either. Your family had to meet with various inflexible criteria’s. You needed much documentation which then had to be verified at the source prior to approval. This took a great deal of time, money and effort. It was almost impossible to meet the standards for approval of Roman citizenship. Your family had to come from a very special family. This process was particularly difficult because of the problems Christians were facing during that period in history. One can imagine being Christian but also a Jew that they considered as undesirables. The Frankopan (Frangipani) family has had to show the documentation of their Roman citizenship and family pedigree many times over past centuries.
Jordan Pierleoni was the son of Pier Leoni. The name Frankopan (Frangipanni – Fragiapannus) is actually a nickname for the branch of the family which descended directly from Jordan Pierleoni. He was given this nickname because of an important event that occurred. Romans were starving because of a great famine. Jordan Pierleoni gave bread to feed the starving masses for the period of this famine. The people of Rome gave him a nickname of Frankopan (Frangipani) as a way to honor him for his great generosity and kindness. The original surname of the Frankopan (Frangipani) family is Pierleoni. Frankopan is the nickname given to the branch of Jordan Pierleoni. Therefore Pierleoni and Franokpan or Frangipani is still one and the same family.
The Pierleoni and Radić family are from the Royal Roman Anicier family. This was proven as a fact during early Ancient Rome within a period in history when such things could be easily refuted if they were incorrect. Such a claim by a Christian Jewish family could prove fatal. They could have faced torture beyond today’s imagination, after which would follow a terrible painful public death for all involved if found false. Those involved with the investigation of their documents that proved their lineage would have to face the same if not worse public punishment. Punishment during that period is not like the legal punishments of today.
There were branches of the family directly related to those from the branch who kept the Pierleoni surname and those who became branches from Jordan Pierleoni Frankopan (Frangipani). Greater strife ensued between family members when they battled between the supporters of the Guelphs and those in favor of the Ghibellines.
The Guelphs and Ghibellines were factions supporting, respectively, the Papacy and the Holy Roman Empire in central and northern Italy during the 12th and 13th centuries. The struggle for power between the Papacy and the Holy Roman Empire had arisen with the Investiture Conflict of the 11th century.
There was also the proven fact that the Frangipani (Frankopan) had been the legitimate relatives related by marriage to the Manlius Torquatus clan of Tusculum who became the first Counts of Anjou. The Frangipani (Frankopan) family had some minor properties and titles by inheritance in France, but there were branches with large amounts wealth that could not advance because of their Jewish ancestry. Some were held back because it was illegal in most lands for Jews to possess lands, titles, slaves or surfdoms.
However, because the Frankopan (Frangipani) family/Pierleoni family was of high Royal Jewish bloodline and not from a common Jewish family special provisions had to be maintained for them. There were various legal allowances which had to contain these provisions written into their documentations and daily business dealings that most of the time only the Kings were involved. This became a constant struggle for the family.
This knowledge of the Frankopan family's power and wealth which amassed to such a degree that it was little wonder why Prince Ivanish (John) Nelipich had ample reason enough to secure the marriage of his only daughter, Catherine who was his beloved treasure a way to possibly form a greater alliance in the future. To Prince Ivanish (John) Nelipich a very religious man, he was securing the highest of sacred marriages for his daughter whom he loved beyond all else. His respect grew for the Frankopan family when he discovered through his own private investigations Ivan Anz Frankopan was from an illustrious Jewish Royal lineage. This was why he was so willing to pay so much money to push the proper papers through to King Sigismund who finally agree to the marriage of Ivan Anz Frangipani (Frankopan) and Catherine Nelipich. The Frankopan family married into a legitimate noble family (Nepilich) in order to regain their position. The adoption of Prince Ivanish Nelipich gave a Princely title to Ivan Anz Frankopan (Frangipani) which bolstered his powers.
After King Sigimund of Hungary discovered what Prince Nelipich had about Ivan Anz's illustrious family background sent King Sigismund of Hungary into a fit of jealousy. The investigations launched by Sigismund of Hungary, and many other historians since, had validated there was proof of another branch of Frankopani that actually belonged to the historic Anicier Frangipani's who were connected to the Pierleoni's of Rome by close family blood ties where Frankopans could make claim they were related to the Romanic Anicier Family. This was by way of the "Radić Family" who was related to Count Ivanish Nelipich and to King Tomaslov of Croatia (from the Trpimirović dynasty) by blood. The royal records also indicated that in the 17th century a Count Mario Frangipanni with many goods and palaces in Rome died leaving it all to his next of kin, the Torquatus Von Radić's side of the family. The records indicate that this was Prince Nicolaus Josef Anton Frankopan who was granted all Frankopan titles and properties on 3 February 1820, one month after his marriage in Vienna which was awarded and recognized by Emperor Franz I of Austria. He later had a son Josef to whom he passed all of his titles and properties. The records then eventually indicate that all of the Frankopan (Frangipani) titles and inheritance were passed on to the Great Grand Daughter Countess Mare (Margarit) Frankopan (Frangiapani) de Anjou in 1897. She married Prince Michael (Mihovil) Torquatus von Radić who had a son named Prince Michael (Mihovil) Torquatus von Radić who died in exile in 1947 and was survived by a Daughter and Grand Daughter.
The Archival Annals of Dubrovnik were recently in 2002, made public after their translation to various languages on poisonings used as a secret weapon to secretly and quietly dispose of political obstacles. These poisons were obtained mostly in Venice, the poison capital of the world during a certain time in history. The Archival Annals were partially translated when the archivist suddenly died. His wife carried on her husband's work and had it completed and published in 2002. This archival information was made public as a ploy to destroy the reputation of the Frankopan family. After further investigations, there was an alternative translated document which derived from the original one that was not made public.
The Archival Annals of Dubrovinik that were made public states that on several instances Croatian Historiography attributed poisonings to the last Count of Krk, Ivan Frankopan. An exhaustive and lengthy account of this was given by the Venetian Secretary, Antonio Vinciguerra, according to whom the attributed the following death of the last Croatian-Bosnian King Stjepan Tomasević in 1463. His brother Radić, who was entitled to rule as next heir in line to the Croatian - Bosnian throne, his wife, and his children fled to the Croatian Island of Rab, and then to Krk. They went to Krk in search of their closest family relatives the Frankopan (Frangipani) to protect them. They had been in close contact and communication for quite some time. The claim of Ivan Frankopan poisoning Radić because of his position of inheritance was unfounded. Frankopan was not next in line after the death of Radić. This would have been one of the sons of Radić. A new series of propaganda was reported to the capital city of Dubrovnik, Venice and the Vatican where they claimed that it was proved certain and true that the last Count Ivan Frankopan poisoned Radić and robbed him.
However this could not have possibly taken place because Count Ivan Frankopan was no where near him at the time Radić had been poisoned. Once more is they had been very supportive of each other for a long time. They were not just very close Cousins, they were very good friends. Thus the poisonings were actually found to be rumors spread as vengeful political propaganda which began over a quarrel between King Sigismund and the Frankopan family when he married Princess Catherine Nelipich who inherited her father's vast legacy. There was further proof of Count Ivan Frankopan's allegience to Radić and his family because he sought out to recover Radić's children whom he adopted and raised as his own. Later marriages were arranged between the Frankopan and Radić side of the family to further bolster their relationship. Radić had close relatives who had married into the wealthy and illustrious Frankopan family who went by the surnames of Torquatus Von Radić of Krk. This adds more credibility to the story that Count Ivan Anz Frankopan could not have been involved in his murder. The Radić family was too powerful and would have certainly sought out vengence for an act of this sort. Mihovil (Michael) Torquatus Von Radić (Radics-Raditschs) Voivode of Senj (1600) was one of those relatives. This portion of the family has passed down the name Mihovil (Michael) Torquatus Von Radić from father to son for centuries.
It was also rumored at this time that Ivan Frankopan suddenly became more powerful and rich and purchased most of Croatia. It was also investigated and found that Ivan Frankopan possibly was responsible for other poisonings. There was one problem with Vinciguerra's report which adds to discredit his reports. This was that was he was obviously misled by Radić's identity, since Tomasević had no brother by the name Radić, something he failed to investigate before entering this information in as fact. This reference however was also repeated by S. Ljubić, Antun Knezević and Vladimir Mazuranić, all famous historians. All of the investigators and historians finally did find records that there was a certain Radić who did exist at the time.
However, Radić was King Stjepan's "Uncle" and the next claimant to the throne as he was from the Anjou lineage as well as closely related to the Pierleoni-Frankopan family branches. After taking the errors into account one must take the approach that the solid evidence recently inspected where there was discovered a cover up of the existence of a small living branch of the original body from the Frankopan (Frangipani) family who are still living. We found they live in continuous struggles for the return of their titles, properties and honor. As of today there are 14 living members directly related by blood of this family who have been desperately battling for the truth of their family to be told.
A family originally surnamed named "De Lupis" was granted two titles of knighthood during the late 18th century and very early 19th century. During the grant of knighthood, they were given charge of Official documents over a Library put in their charge for "Sanctuary and Protection" of these said documents. The De Lupis family was officially recognized by the current English Royal family who aided them with the legal changes their original surnames names they were born with. In 1991 when they discovered there were legitimate heirs to the Frankopan (Frangipani) Royal family, they legally altered their surnames to "Frankopan". What is shocking is that the De Lupis family is "not related" to the Frankopan family by blood or marriage. Many have viewed this as a way of trying to openly steal the family's titles, properties and honor despite the fact they are in no way related to the Frankopan family.
The De Lupis family went a step further in their actions not satisfied with just claiming the surname "Frankopan" as their own family name, but they also added other branches of the Frankopan family by further adding Subich and Zrinksi as a part of their new surname. This has been seen as a political tactic to gain respect and honor from a family that earned it many centuries ago by claiming it as their own. Again, De Lupis is "not an authentic or legitimate heir to the Frankopan estates". When the De Lupis family was challenged, they made public claims they are from an unknown branch of Frankopan that no one has ever heard of; not even the Frankopan's themselves. What is more interesting is how it was common knowledge how close the bonds of family ties were concerning the Frankopan family. The last remaining Frankopans who longed for more family had hoped De Lupis family were authentic. It was a very sad day for them when the disappointment was realized that after years of research, no family ties could be connected to the De Lupis family. However the situation of publically claiming the Frankopan name and past historic glories of the Frankopan family is indeed been a shameful tradgedy which has made things difficult for what is left of the Frankopan dynasty.
The Frankopan family has taken the stance that while the De Lupis family may alter their names to Frankopan-Subich-Zrinski, legally this should not entitle a person to steal the legitimate Frankopan families identity, properties or titles. The De Lupis family who may be born in Croatia is of Italian origin. The Frankopan family is of Croatian heart, soul, mind and blood. What is more disturbing is that they have the support presently of the family of Queen Elizabeth of England. It is a well known fact that she also gives support to her favorite God son Alexander of Serbia whose father was King of the former Yugoslavia. She has supported this branch for a very long time. In 2006 they proceeded with a marriage between De Lupis' daughter and Windsor household granting the family more titles. The Windor’s are completely aware that De Lupis has committed “identity theft”; nevertheless, they continue to support them while the Real Frankopani family has no support or recognition due to the muddling of rumors and so called historians who think they have a handle on this great family's historical facts. The real Frankopan is continuously denied their inherent privileges by birth rights and laws or recognition even when documents are presented due to the rumors from the ever flowing river. Without the legitimate Frankopan's return to their homelands, their will be nothing but continuous discord there and the truth will remain suppressed. This is because the De Lupis family is wealthy which adds to the English treasury. The Frankopan family’s fortune was stolen during the first and second World Wars then Communism took what was left. The Frankopan family that remains alive are those who lived in hiding, realizing they placed themselves in danger if they made any claims to their estates